{"id":779,"date":"2011-08-03T22:06:13","date_gmt":"2011-08-04T05:06:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/upon2020.com\/?p=779"},"modified":"2011-08-03T22:06:13","modified_gmt":"2011-08-04T05:06:13","slug":"hayden-google-acting-as-a-nation-state","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/2011\/08\/hayden-google-acting-as-a-nation-state\/","title":{"rendered":"Hayden: Google Acting as a Nation-State"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Great to see somebody on top of things, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vanityfair.com\/culture\/features\/2011\/09\/chinese-hacking-201109?currentPage=5\">here<\/a> Michael Hayden, previously director of the NSA and the CIA in the context of the Shady Rat attacks:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cYou see Google acting in some ways as nation-states used to act,  exercising to the best of their ability some attributes traditionally  associated with sovereign states. \u2018We\u2019re going to break  relationship\u2019\u2014cease doing business there, you know. It\u2019s something I  dwell on a lot. The cyberworld is so new that the old structures, you  know\u2014state, non-state, public, private\u2014they all break down \u2026 The last  time we had such a powerful discontinuity is probably the European  discovery of the Western Hemisphere. At that point, we had some big,  multi-national corporations\u2014East India Company and Hudson\u2019s Bay\u2014that  acted as states. And I see elements of that with the big Microsofts and  Googles of the world. Because of their size, they actually are making  decisions that have the impact of the kinds of decisions made in the  halls of government. Google is not a state. But what constitutes  Google\u2019s inherent right of self-defense in this new environment against  this kind of attack? I\u2019m not accusing anyone of doing anything wrong.  These situations are just so different. What do we believe would be  legitimate for Google to do in response to this? Now, I don\u2019t have  answers. I really don\u2019t know, but it\u2019s a really good question.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Great to see somebody on top of things, here Michael Hayden, previously director of the NSA and the CIA in the context of the Shady Rat attacks: \u201cYou see Google acting in some ways as nation-states used to act, exercising to the best of their ability some attributes traditionally associated with sovereign states. \u2018We\u2019re going&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"webmentions_disabled":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[58,23,35],"tags":[17,187],"class_list":["post-779","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-big_picture","category-cloud","category-security","tag-google","tag-hayden","kind-"],"kind":false,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/779","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=779"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/779\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":780,"href":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/779\/revisions\/780"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=779"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=779"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/upon2020.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=779"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}